Can I be honest? I was very much looking forward to Pownce, but now that I have had it for a few weeks to tell you the truth it's just social networking overload.
It reminds me of high school's popularity contest. Nothing new, or hardly relavent being shared. shrug I don't want to sound like a kiljoy, but its just not what I hoped it to be.
I have found myself using Jaiku more however. And mind you I am an extreme late comer to it. I only installed it after you mentinioned it several times on several TWiT's.
I guesse for me the hardest part is linking up with the right people on Pownce. Either that or it is just more socialware to make my head hurt.
hehe, well, time for another cup of coffee, this cranky geek needs it :)
It's really Leah's project. Kevin provides starpower. I don't know how much he has to do with the day-to-day. The biggest diff between P and J is the ability to narrow the recipients of a particular post - and the file sharing capability. Neither of which make sense for Jaiku. The real question is how Twitter will respond. I think it makes sense for each service to differentiate itself clearly.
The way I see it, Pownce is more supposed to be a sort of email replacement for lighter communications, like those Powerpoint jokes some people looooove to send to their whole address book.
I think Jaiku is the best overall service, but they still don't do US text messaging without extra fees.. which is preventing me my friends from totally switching from twitter.
I agree with atmasphere, I'm expecting twitter to step it's game up too, it's got some big name supporters and that VC cash should start to make an impact soon. I've considered jumping back to twitter to be ready to ride the new services/features wave that's going to come, but haven't made my mind up yet..still a Jaiku guy for now, the mobile client (beta) steals the show for me.
I would seriously doubt that twitter has laid their full hand on the table at this point. For starters, they have no way to make money and they need to get some return going on that VC Cash.
I'd expect a version for companies to use it and I think we'll see sponsored posts as well as a more substantial API to let other people use the Twitter platform for their own needs - away from the noise and chatter.
I agree with @Romek. Also, let's not forget that all three services haven't grown out of the "geek" audience yet, so the race is far from over. But if I had to bet on it (for a more general audience), I'd say... Facebook.
twitter has it's advantages, first to market and the resulting land grab that it made, the simplicity of it's interface and simple single purpose "tell people what you're doing". It's whether people what to simply tell people what they are doing (twitter wins) or have a conversation (Jaiku wins) the jury is still out on pownce for me.
twitter in the enterprise is coming for sure, just don't know if many big enterprises are as forward thinking as some. Some enterprises are banning facebook, so short sighted.
Just as I'm slowly convincing all of my IM contacts to use Palringo, I'm slowly moving my SN contacts over to Jaiku. It's just better imo - better organized, more usable, friendlier people, etc.
When something really is better, usually people eventually see the light with the help of a little marketing and a friendly push.
google is already getting a cut of the revenue that Jaiku is creating through it's adds (they are google adds)..but a google t/j/p killer would be interesting, having it searchable might be the killer app..lot's of people have asked for jaiku to be searchable
If Facebook decides to put its status update features under the limelight a little bit more, they're likely to win this battle. Most people don't want to use half a dozen services for their online communications. That's why FB can win over Twitter, Jaiku, Pownce, Flickr, YouTube, and almost every other Web 2.0 site if they put their mind to it.
Granted, I only have a dozen or so "Friends" on Pownce, but the whole "file sharing" aspect has been nothing more the people posting mp3 files. They really need to make it more useful such as posting links to flickr photos and displaying thumbnails (like Jaiku), etc. Pownce is more of a closed/private network, but then it's nothing more than we had with desktop client Intant Messenger applications. Skype fills that need right now for me.
And to be honest, would we really be talking about Pownce right now if it weren't for the "starpower" presence of Kevin Rose? Pownce only got going due to all the "Keving Rose has this new..." or "The guy behind Digg is now getting into..."
I'll keep my Pownce account "just in case" though.
If you want to discuss Philosophical posts then you can use either Jaiku or Pownce. I don't see any particular advantage in any of the two. The audience of Pownce maybe a little bit different than Jaiku because it's still in beta. We have to wait and see what becomes of it when it launches.
For more personal stuff though, Pownce has the advantage because you can target your posts to specific groups of contacts, although Jaiku works with feeds, you don't really want your personal stuff to be visible to strangers. Right?
@wizardElite While I'm not all "up" about Pownce myself, I don't know if you can really say that because of this thread "Jaiku Wins". It's kind of like going to a Mac web site and asking the question "which is better, Macs or PCs". (Or, you're preaching to the choir ) The question has to be asked outside of Twitter, Pownce, or Jaiku. Go over to the Pownce public posts and ask the same question and get a totally different response.
@wizardElite"Then if you like Pownce leave that for your "personal stuff" ie. only communicating with your close friends and not the whole TWiT Army that you talk to on Jaiku."
That I totally agree with you on. Pownce for private "philosocphical" discussions. Jaiku to speak more to the masses.
Notice the huge pop in pownce during week one and I bet 80% of those hits were users that couldn't even get into the system due to the invite limitation.
Notice the spike in Jaiku in April (time Leo announced his arrival?) but even with that Jaiku is at about 50% of the traffic of pownce. Does this mean it's a better system? No, not really, but it does show the star power Kevin has and the platform he announced the site on (diggnation podcast).
His ability to siphon traffic from one site to another is profound, as is Leo's. It makes many concepts an instant success just due to starpower alone.
From what I've experienced, pownce is very clean cut and the design is simple yet perfect. I'm not a fan because I like the RSS feed system, I can hookup my own and i can read everyone else's - it's like the perfect aggregate for news based on people I know and their own interests.
Pownce doesn't have anything another social network doesn't already do. I'll stick with it to see how it goes but I'm not confident yet it will really damage anyone else's solution (jaiku, twitter, etc.)
Do any of them have a way to mark the messages you've already read? If I come back to this thread, I'll have to remember which posts I've already seen. RSS is probably one solution. It seems like USENET had some of these problems solved years ago.
Twitter - very simple, too simple!
Jaiku - good commenting facility, good group/channel system, though not eaysy to get an overview of theese. Good feeds-facility. Only 140 characters for an initial post is something of challenge, when initiating a philosophical discussion, but maybe a good challenge!
Pownce - no "140-ch-restriction", good file-distribution-facility. No feeds. No "Explore"-facility like in Jaiku (where you can actually by chance find many interesting links etc)
Conclusion: Twitter is out. A combination of Jaiku and Pownce would be the best. Who creates that?
Although Jaiku is stable, it's also moving forward. Lots more Jaiku features coming I predict... (and judging by the record so far, when new features are rolled out, they will probably work)
I agreed with Wiliumgaard20. In response to Dan: No, not many people would have used Pownce if Kevin was behind it. It is used because it is from the "guy behind digg." to some users.
Granted, I haven't tried Facebook (I don't want to sign up for yet another thing), but it's already on my blacklist because I have to register just to see someone's status updates or other info. If I can't even look into the system without registering first, it's likely a no-go for me. Too closed.
It's like software that doesn't offer a trial download. I will usually take it off my to-consider list because I can't even try out a crippled version just to see if it fits my needs. How can I tell whether Facebook has features that interest me if I can't just see a sample?
@Willumsgaard, thx. But, if Leo decides to separate his stuff on several forums, then tracing all forums might be needed if one wants to keep track on them. IMHO, it does make sense for him to separate his stuff.
I am thinking it mostly depends upon the way you treat or think of the people in your 'social group' on each of the services. If you limit the 'friends' you set up in any service to just some category of people, you'll start treating the service in a way that reflects those decisions.
There are topics that I'm interested in sharing with a wide audience of people who are interested in what I'm thinking or doing. And others that I might be interested in only sharing with a few friends.
If I use a service that supports that sort of granularity (Pownce comes close) I'm going to start handling traffic there related to my perceptions differently than how I handle traffic on another service with a different level of granularity.
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one service to rule them all....
2 years, 3 months ago by danhendricks
Can I be honest? I was very much looking forward to Pownce, but now that I have had it for a few weeks to tell you the truth it's just social networking overload.
It reminds me of high school's popularity contest. Nothing new, or hardly relavent being shared. shrug I don't want to sound like a kiljoy, but its just not what I hoped it to be.
I have found myself using Jaiku more however. And mind you I am an extreme late comer to it. I only installed it after you mentinioned it several times on several TWiT's.
I guesse for me the hardest part is linking up with the right people on Pownce. Either that or it is just more socialware to make my head hurt.
hehe, well, time for another cup of coffee, this cranky geek needs it :)
2 years, 3 months ago by manorton
I'm thinking of telling Kevin Rose "nice try" and sticking with Jaiku :-)
2 years, 3 months ago by silversurfer
Why bother ? Pick what's best at the moment and switch again at will. As long as the Way Back Machine works, nothing get's lost.
2 years, 3 months ago by KCorax
@manorthon: I agree with you entirely about the popularity contest aspect of Pownce. It's even worse than Twitter in that regard.
@leo: Jaiku's comment feature is much better than Pownce's "replies" for philosophical discussions, I think. And the channels too.
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
It's really Leah's project. Kevin provides starpower. I don't know how much he has to do with the day-to-day. The biggest diff between P and J is the ability to narrow the recipients of a particular post - and the file sharing capability. Neither of which make sense for Jaiku. The real question is how Twitter will respond. I think it makes sense for each service to differentiate itself clearly.
2 years, 3 months ago by ChiefTWiT
I think we can expect Twitter to respond very seriously ... they did just get VC and I don't think that was just for server capacity.
2 years, 3 months ago by atmasphere
The way I see it, Pownce is more supposed to be a sort of email replacement for lighter communications, like those Powerpoint jokes some people looooove to send to their whole address book.
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
I think Jaiku is the best overall service, but they still don't do US text messaging without extra fees.. which is preventing me my friends from totally switching from twitter.
2 years, 3 months ago by danhendricks
I agree with atmasphere, I'm expecting twitter to step it's game up too, it's got some big name supporters and that VC cash should start to make an impact soon. I've considered jumping back to twitter to be ready to ride the new services/features wave that's going to come, but haven't made my mind up yet..still a Jaiku guy for now, the mobile client (beta) steals the show for me.
2 years, 3 months ago by robevans
Web 2.0 Companies like Yahoo - good one!
I would seriously doubt that twitter has laid their full hand on the table at this point. For starters, they have no way to make money and they need to get some return going on that VC Cash.
I'd expect a version for companies to use it and I think we'll see sponsored posts as well as a more substantial API to let other people use the Twitter platform for their own needs - away from the noise and chatter.
2 years, 3 months ago by atmasphere
I agree with @Romek. Also, let's not forget that all three services haven't grown out of the "geek" audience yet, so the race is far from over. But if I had to bet on it (for a more general audience), I'd say... Facebook.
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
twitter has it's advantages, first to market and the resulting land grab that it made, the simplicity of it's interface and simple single purpose "tell people what you're doing". It's whether people what to simply tell people what they are doing (twitter wins) or have a conversation (Jaiku wins) the jury is still out on pownce for me.
2 years, 3 months ago by robevans
twitter in the enterprise is coming for sure, just don't know if many big enterprises are as forward thinking as some. Some enterprises are banning facebook, so short sighted.
2 years, 3 months ago by robevans
Just as I'm slowly convincing all of my IM contacts to use Palringo, I'm slowly moving my SN contacts over to Jaiku. It's just better imo - better organized, more usable, friendlier people, etc.
When something really is better, usually people eventually see the light with the help of a little marketing and a friendly push.
2 years, 3 months ago by zacharye
@ranjaranfella It's already in the works. I forget the name but I'm sure that someone will link it shortly...
2 years, 3 months ago by zacharye
@atmasphere I could see Pownce being absorbed by Yahoo, AOL, or MSN (for the bloatware training-wheels crowd)
2 years, 3 months ago by silversurfer
google is already getting a cut of the revenue that Jaiku is creating through it's adds (they are google adds)..but a google t/j/p killer would be interesting, having it searchable might be the killer app..lot's of people have asked for jaiku to be searchable
2 years, 3 months ago by robevans
Prolly by MSN, then they'll eventually make it just like CoolChat...if you remember that.
2 years, 3 months ago by miketuesday
@miketuesday I think you're right, something like that is probably the end-game they have in mind...
2 years, 3 months ago by silversurfer
If Facebook decides to put its status update features under the limelight a little bit more, they're likely to win this battle. Most people don't want to use half a dozen services for their online communications. That's why FB can win over Twitter, Jaiku, Pownce, Flickr, YouTube, and almost every other Web 2.0 site if they put their mind to it.
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
I'd say the real reason jaiku is winning over twitter for me, is the fact that the name is shorter so it's easier to type on my cell phone.
2 years, 3 months ago by miketuesday
BTW, I just removed the Pownce Facebook application... still got the Jaiku one tho
2 years, 3 months ago by silversurfer
Granted, I only have a dozen or so "Friends" on Pownce, but the whole "file sharing" aspect has been nothing more the people posting mp3 files. They really need to make it more useful such as posting links to flickr photos and displaying thumbnails (like Jaiku), etc. Pownce is more of a closed/private network, but then it's nothing more than we had with desktop client Intant Messenger applications. Skype fills that need right now for me.
And to be honest, would we really be talking about Pownce right now if it weren't for the "starpower" presence of Kevin Rose? Pownce only got going due to all the "Keving Rose has this new..." or "The guy behind Digg is now getting into..."
I'll keep my Pownce account "just in case" though.
2 years, 3 months ago by JavaDog
If you want to discuss Philosophical posts then you can use either Jaiku or Pownce. I don't see any particular advantage in any of the two. The audience of Pownce maybe a little bit different than Jaiku because it's still in beta. We have to wait and see what becomes of it when it launches.
For more personal stuff though, Pownce has the advantage because you can target your posts to specific groups of contacts, although Jaiku works with feeds, you don't really want your personal stuff to be visible to strangers. Right?
2 years, 3 months ago by GeekSpeaker
@wizardElite While I'm not all "up" about Pownce myself, I don't know if you can really say that because of this thread "Jaiku Wins". It's kind of like going to a Mac web site and asking the question "which is better, Macs or PCs". (Or, you're preaching to the choir ) The question has to be asked outside of Twitter, Pownce, or Jaiku. Go over to the Pownce public posts and ask the same question and get a totally different response.
2 years, 3 months ago by JavaDog
And remember that with Jaiku we could even create a channel dedicated to the philosophy of all things Pownce... (wait, scratch that idea...)
2 years, 3 months ago by silversurfer
@wizardElite "Then if you like Pownce leave that for your "personal stuff" ie. only communicating with your close friends and not the whole TWiT Army that you talk to on Jaiku."
That I totally agree with you on. Pownce for private "philosocphical" discussions. Jaiku to speak more to the masses.
2 years, 3 months ago by JavaDog
As per Kevin's "starpower" I think alexa says it all
Notice the huge pop in pownce during week one and I bet 80% of those hits were users that couldn't even get into the system due to the invite limitation.
Notice the spike in Jaiku in April (time Leo announced his arrival?) but even with that Jaiku is at about 50% of the traffic of pownce. Does this mean it's a better system? No, not really, but it does show the star power Kevin has and the platform he announced the site on (diggnation podcast).
His ability to siphon traffic from one site to another is profound, as is Leo's. It makes many concepts an instant success just due to starpower alone.
From what I've experienced, pownce is very clean cut and the design is simple yet perfect. I'm not a fan because I like the RSS feed system, I can hookup my own and i can read everyone else's - it's like the perfect aggregate for news based on people I know and their own interests.
Pownce doesn't have anything another social network doesn't already do. I'll stick with it to see how it goes but I'm not confident yet it will really damage anyone else's solution (jaiku, twitter, etc.)
2 years, 3 months ago by techdiversions
@JavaDog But that's exactly the space Facebook occupies... Pownce is sort of a solution without a problem...
2 years, 3 months ago by silversurfer
Do any of them have a way to mark the messages you've already read? If I come back to this thread, I'll have to remember which posts I've already seen. RSS is probably one solution. It seems like USENET had some of these problems solved years ago.
2 years, 3 months ago by dlr
I joined J today. I will enjoy the RSS feed app. P is very smooth, IU is GREAT, needs RSS and SMS. "time will tell"
2 years, 3 months ago by JohnJohn
Pownce does not have an API. That kills it for me.
2 years, 3 months ago by kurt
Twitter - very simple, too simple! Jaiku - good commenting facility, good group/channel system, though not eaysy to get an overview of theese. Good feeds-facility. Only 140 characters for an initial post is something of challenge, when initiating a philosophical discussion, but maybe a good challenge! Pownce - no "140-ch-restriction", good file-distribution-facility. No feeds. No "Explore"-facility like in Jaiku (where you can actually by chance find many interesting links etc) Conclusion: Twitter is out. A combination of Jaiku and Pownce would be the best. Who creates that?
2 years, 3 months ago by Willumsgaard20
Although Jaiku is stable, it's also moving forward. Lots more Jaiku features coming I predict... (and judging by the record so far, when new features are rolled out, they will probably work)
2 years, 3 months ago by silversurfer
the only thing philosophical about pownce is pondering if anyone would have used it without kevin rose.
2 years, 3 months ago by danhendricks
I agreed with Wiliumgaard20. In response to Dan: No, not many people would have used Pownce if Kevin was behind it. It is used because it is from the "guy behind digg." to some users.
2 years, 3 months ago by ZayneHumphrey
Granted, I haven't tried Facebook (I don't want to sign up for yet another thing), but it's already on my blacklist because I have to register just to see someone's status updates or other info. If I can't even look into the system without registering first, it's likely a no-go for me. Too closed.
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
@jezlyn: How closed can it be with +30 million users?
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
Closed because it's like a walled garden. Outsiders can't see any content without joining.
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
It's like software that doesn't offer a trial download. I will usually take it off my to-consider list because I can't even try out a crippled version just to see if it fits my needs. How can I tell whether Facebook has features that interest me if I can't just see a sample?
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
Yeouch.. one more place to add on my list for tracking Leo... That means one more place to go to. :-P
2 years, 3 months ago by ranti
@ranti - you don't have trace all forums, since this discussion was also raised at Pownce!
2 years, 3 months ago by Willumsgaard20
@Willumsgaard, thx. But, if Leo decides to separate his stuff on several forums, then tracing all forums might be needed if one wants to keep track on them. IMHO, it does make sense for him to separate his stuff.
2 years, 3 months ago by ranti
Admit: Only now I got your point for real, ranti!
2 years, 3 months ago by Willumsgaard20
I am thinking it mostly depends upon the way you treat or think of the people in your 'social group' on each of the services. If you limit the 'friends' you set up in any service to just some category of people, you'll start treating the service in a way that reflects those decisions.
There are topics that I'm interested in sharing with a wide audience of people who are interested in what I'm thinking or doing. And others that I might be interested in only sharing with a few friends.
If I use a service that supports that sort of granularity (Pownce comes close) I'm going to start handling traffic there related to my perceptions differently than how I handle traffic on another service with a different level of granularity.
2 years, 3 months ago by rusty